Calling me "stupid" crosses a line. Yes, I'm adding bulk and weight to it when I want that bulk and eight, and then I remove that bulk and weight when I don't. Sony supposedly released a FW update, right when canon entered the market, variable aperture focusing rather than their forced stopped down focusing? For $3,000, the old 24-70mm f/2.8 L II seems like a way better deal minus the weight plus a wider angle at the short end. Maybe you could provide a link so we can check them out?Also, I'm not a fan of the Batis 25mm, it has bad LoCA at f2-2.8Den. An interesting piece of gear. I mean sure, you don't exactly what to do sports with the R. Anything else? Perfect for high quality landscape shots. If you insist on f/2.8 the EF 24-70/2.8L II USM is the best in its class available from any system. Its a physics exercise... A wider lens mount allows for larger lens elements at the back of the lens, which means that one needs to bend the lens less aggressively on its last leg of the path to the sensor. So? They'll need to back those up with actual lens introductions. The performance of the Nikon 50mm f/1.8S has already been posted. Yours for $600. But unremarkable is how I would describe their bokeh. I mean, you are questioning whether the product Sony patented can be really made, right? The Canon RF 28-70mm f/2 L USM is an incredibly fast, eye-wateringly expensive standard zoom lens for Canon's new EOS R full-frame mirrorless camera system. Canon is market leader, and acts accordingly by stowing away patents, ideas and financial/other resources for future use. Den, I'm sorry, if the guys at DPR say it's good than it must be good lol. Subtracting the numbers is meaningless. Photography 101 How to Use Your Digital Camera and Edit Photos in Photoshop. Want to see an example? I basically meant sony made, not necessarily E-mount in general. The new update adds native support for Apple's M1 Macs. And it blows away the DSLR versions. I could see little "79%" marks everywhere. I'm just expressing my opinion.I mentioned the Mitakon because it's an f0.95, that's it.If you like the Canon 28-70mm f2, and you think it's worth the investment, good for you.Personally, I think it's an expensive heavy niche zoom lens that offers little value over a couple of faster primes. Looks like everybody who says it is very good lens, are paid trolls or simply ignorant. Their e-mount choice was an immediate hindrance for FF development and lack of foresight. A completely understandable survival adaption by those whose camera mounts can only accommodate f/2.8 zooms. That's why so many need is/vr etc, majority of people don't keep fit enough as they get older so need small light weight camera systems. So if DPR is ignoring your request, it’s because it’s a stupid one. However, when developing a product one need to balance cost, time, weight etc etc. What effect does a smaller mount have? In Myles Matsuno's 'We're the People' video series, Matsuno highlights different people. I had the A7III and A7II before that, along with some choice zeiss lenses. Yes I was going to say that too. https://lenspire.zeiss.com/photo/app/uploads/2018/04/Article-MTF-2008-EN.pdf. If you look at the MTF curves of this lens at Canon's website, you'll see that they are very similar to the 24-70 f/2.8L II at the wide and tele end - while admitting twice as much light. I have and they work quite well on the R, and the weight feels absolutely fine and nicely balanced. We're working hard to finish our full review of the new Sony a1, and we've just added our studio image quality analysis. Nikon brought 4 prosumer Z lenses for its two prosumer Z cameras and will bring most of its pro Z lenses with a pro Z model in 2020 - that makes way more sense to me! A one stop DR advantage does not make an ISO 1600 shot an ISO 3200 shot. So, that person obviously knows more than I do and I would like to learn something that I don't know about. Watch the exhilarating 'Right Up Our Alley' video featuring FPV footage of Bryant Lake Bowl & Theater in Minneapolis, Minnesota. I would much rather have a mirrorless body that is the same size as a DSLR with lenses this size because honestly small bodies and big lenses are horrible as hell to handle. No, no, no ! The first major update to Capture One 21 is available now. High resolution, weather-sealed bodies and wide dynamic range are all important. I thought rich are buying leica because they always 1 up others on price. The best high-end camera costing more than $2000 should have plenty of resolution, exceptional build quality, good 4K video capture and top-notch autofocus for advanced and professional users. The mirrorless ff canon bodies may not be there yet but the glass is amazing! Canon are taking the p!ss! $3,000?...uhmm, I can't afford it. Have fun! I think film really does look much better ,,,, Rumors: XF 33mm f/1.4 WR Prime Coming in 2021, ***This week with your a7x/a9x/a1, Mar 13th - 19th, 2021***, Pix for the Week Ending March 12th to 14th, 2021. You can give em, but you can't take em.Den. The most disappointing aspect of this sample gallery is actually the photographs. Their approach to capturing the market was like throwing spaghetti on the wall and seeing what sticks. Looks like it is going to be a big seller. They are not going to be tiny. Of course it's expensive (*cough Noct cough*), but it is possible to do, it is great, love the pictures. Want it. So this is nothing new. Remove the lens of the camera and look at the sensor. So it’s potentially a wash in price. For me that sounds like a good plan. - GM lenses are all big except for the one exception (24 GM). That is a big difference in only 1 stop. It is about how much batteries you need for the same period of time. Simply must. You want full frame? A tunnel will open to ease traffic flow but the traffic mess will be something. Sony provides no physics to back a blanket statement like that- both Canon and Nikon (and Sigma) have. In this guide we've chosen a selection of cameras that make it easy to shoot compelling lifestyle images, ideal for sharing on social media. I just wanted to pay respect to a great lens, the first f2 zoom. Click through to see our picks. Rant off. I owned the A7III and liked it. Such a situation may be hard to find - which probably explains why most people consider Canon cameras perfectly fine for still photography. Perhaps this lens could be used to take some sharp pictures of the traffic tangles that will ensue. Canon on the other hand gave us a consumer R Body with 4 very expensive and heavy professional lenses? RF 50 f/1.4 IS? Arun, lol,The Mitakon wasn't "E mount's response to this lens", it was released years ago.I mentioned it because of the fake news about E mount not being able to accommodate fast glass, specifically faster than f1.Den, Damian,The Tamron FE 28-75mm f2.8 was awarded DPReview's 2018 zoom lens of the year, so if you think it "doesn't compare" then in your mind nothing will.Den. Great lens but no stabilization and 95mm filters...For this price & weight of this lens you can get an a7iii with a tamron 28-75mm. It will be a far more compromised lens than this one. The Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM Lens with RF lens mount is the world’s first standard zoom lens with an f/2 aperture. And that will result in a lower SNR at the pixel level; particularly important as one goes to smaller and smaller pixels since noise does not scale linearly with pixel size. :)). Global warming surely must cause colors to be warmer too? Sony a6400 vs. Fujifilm X-S10: Two great APS-C cameras with different superpowers, EXCLUSIVE - Nikon to deliver mirrorless Z9 in 2021 (stacked sensor, 8K video), Fujifilm XF 70-300mm F4-5.6 LM WR OIS Review. Good point. Rethink image quality The lens achieves image quality at f/2 comparable to - or even greater than - that of the EF 24-70mm f/2.8L II USM at its widest aperture of f/2.8. Arun,Here's the definition of your "silly" comment to me:https://www.dictionary.com/browse/silly"weak-minded or lacking good sense; stupid or foolish":Maybe you need to re-educate yourself on the meaning of your own insults. This week we sat down (virtually) with senior executives of Fujifilm to learn more about the development of the new GFX 100S, plans for future lenses and what kind of a company they want Fujifilm to be. Stellar image quality is delivered from corner to corner thanks to the combination of a large … The results may surprise you. When you can make money from the right equipment (PRO), cost isn't the main purchase consideration. Hahaha, sorry that really did make me laugh, since I wasn't spinning anything. One of his subjects, Terry Fouche, is a photographer and pastor. If you cannot take good photos with today’s offerings: nothing can help you! All of the above, as well as cost, overall QC issues and crappy CS, is the reason why I switched back to canon. Amazing image quality (for a zoom). "Even if it lacks 24mm"? Seriously though, I never thought I'd see a medium zoom that could rival pro primes for IQ. anyhow, chunk of high quality glass will have it's price, that was my point. :D. I magnified the photos. I haven't said anything other than it makes it easier on a design perspective. The new announced Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM lens now finally in stock and shipping at B&H Photo Video. Thoughts so you’re saying I can buy a $3000 lens to overcome the stop advantage to Sony? Wouldn't RF 24-70 f/2.8 IS be appealing to more customers? Some people criticize just because it's Canon. So that advantage over DSLRs especially with this giant lens simply isn't there. Sony even went as far as to develop curved sensors. Strolic,Thanks for the heads up, I'll have to check for decentering when I finally pick one up.Den. These F/2 wide-tele lenses let you decide between DOF or dreamy bokeh, something that no F/2. I've owned the Nikon 24-70mm F.2.8 for 5 years and the Tamron 24-70mm F/2.8 for 2 years which were totally unremarkable if not sturdy workhorses. You do understand the advantages of zoom lenses for certain tasks, don't you? RF 28-70mm f/2L USM lens is Canon’s first f/2 zoom lens. It offers the kind of image quality you'd expect from an L-series prime lens, and adds a large f2 maximum aperture for more creative control and stunning bokeh. Or go to wider apertures. Did I say that with their narrower mount they can't make high quality lenses? The (2. generation) pro body will come 2020 when nikon will have already over 20 native Z lenses on the market (also faster one) . Find out more about its updates and enhancements in our review. We tested the Canon RF 28-70mm F2.0 on the 30MP Canon EOS R body, where it achieved a 33-point score in our image quality rankings. Except for the fact that you physically can't make lenses this good for a DSLR without making them prohibitively expensive and big, assuming optical laws allows such a lens to exist. Consider the fact that sigma literally said that designing for the FE mount would be a challenge ( to say the least ) because of the narrow mount. The corner performance of that lens is astonishing. Did someone forget to tell you that cameras are not much use without lenses? If you hell bent on taking cheap shots at brand, i well tell you that bad ergonomics is much better than having canon written on camera. We compare two popular APS-C cameras: the Fujifilm X-S10 and the Sony a6400. Nope. I've never used my Tamron FE 28-75mm f2.8 lens and wished it was f0.8 faster, bigger, heavier or considerably more expensive.Den. but for majority of sem-pro or hobbyist, it's pšrobably more than enough. So Sony can make as many statements as they want. He’s saying that Canon’s DR (eos R/5dmk4) will handle just about any situation beautifully. Can you imagine it on an A7 series body? Which means this lens is used a lot whereas the other were nice paperweights. ", doesn't it? Backyard abortion anyone?? The Fujifilm GFX 100S packs an image-stabilized 100MP medium format sensor into a body about the size a typical full-frame camera. Why is it so hard to understand? If you take the menues into account it's still worse than any other brand out there. I’m not! If it's too heavy for you then have a cup of concrete and toughen up. @lawny13 I understand all these things. The 1-series was the last to get E-TTL in the film era; eye control focus never made it into the pro bodies (only the EOS-3, EOS-5/A2E, and EOS-50/30/Elan 2E/Elan 7E). Well, DenImage, it certainly was your response... and yes, any mount can accommodate any lens as long as you don't care about what the image looks like. :/. I don't fight that Sony makes better sensors than Canon - that is an objective fact. The rear elements of the RF50mm and the 28-70 f/2 are actually smaller than the E mount's dia. The lens will sell well... enough super rich hobbyists around the world are waiting. The other issue that masks women's participation in the labor force is that women tended to drop in and out as they had kids which makes a statistical difference but not a lifestyle difference. Photos taken with the Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L lens. A 28-70mm f2.8 that’s much lighter/smaller and optically excellent would have been much more appreciated. I highly doubt it.Den. You need reminding every threat about it. Getting started. In fact I also owned the Tamron. I can't wait to see what Canon will do with its RF 70-200 f2.8 which is rumored later this year. With its constant aperture of f/2, the RF28-70mm f/2L USM is an entire aperture stop faster than the f/2.8 aperture on most premium standard zoom lenses, allowing twice as much light to enter the camera.A generous optical construction consisting a number of special … Of course women have always worked. Unremovable? It's a full stop faster than a mainstay pro 24-70/2.8, bringing it dangerously close to prime lenses for light gathering capability. Especially considering many will never even print a photograph with the 30+ tack sharp MP. I know perfectly well that you get this. We look at why this one statement holds so much promise for the camera's performance. This would mean that mirrorless bodies don't catch up with such lenses yet. Was there any attempt to remove them in PP? It's much smaller and lighter than the Canon, is only f0.8 slower, is 5mm longer, is a lot less expensive, and unlike the Canon it's stabilised on bodies with IBIS.Sheesh, the Canon may be an achievement, but there are a lot of compromises just to get that extra f0.8Den. Ayoul,They're all overpriced and expensive.You also neglected to mention the DPReview 2018 zoom lens of the year, the awesome Tamron FE 28-75mm f2.8, which up until a couple of days ago was a mere $799.Den. @DenImageIt’s certainly entertaining to watch an event photographer juggling 28, 35, 50 and 70 primes in a desperate attempt not to miss a photo opportunity. @Arun H, but where does it state that f/2.8 is possible but f/2.0 will be a challenge. One of the … There are small DSLRs too, like the SL2/200D. The RF 28–70mm F2 L USM features a maximum aperture of f/2, offering unparalleled performance throughout its zoom range. I think this whole argument has been silly because people are just on the defensive for their systems. No one said it is impossible, but that it is easier with a wider mount. Arun,I'm not fighting anyone. I think canon's strategy was release the R quick. They are not as good though, which is where the one stop difference at base ISO comes in. Obviously, E+ lenses wouldn't work on E bodies. A good example is the EF 50 f1.2 vs the RF 50 f1.2. The (2. generation) pro body will come 2020 when nikon will have already over 20 native Z lenses on the market (also faster one) . Let's not go there. ecka84: See the link below. I would have expected them to be gone by f/4. Including many of the same features as its other action cameras, Insta360's GO 2 weighs only 27 grams. Had someone said that a 72 mm diameter mount is better than canikon's simply because it is larger I would laugh in his/her face because there are limits to where bigger actually contributes in any meaningful way. I love nearly everything about the lens. Despite this, some of its technology and design live on... OPPO launched its latest smartphone today, the Find X3 Pro. Lawny,I responded to Arun's "silly" comment:"Canon have backed up their statements by some revolutionary lenses - a 50mm f/1.8 that has mindblowing corner performance and the first normal range f/2 zoom. Click through for more information. Lawny,I never disputed that designing lenses for larger mounts wasn't easier.Den. Delivering highest standards of descriptive perfo I adore my Sigma 24-35mm F/2. Sigma 40F1.4 Art has a much nicer curve. Talking about CA...It's at moderate levels and easily corrected in PP. The new Canon isn't stabilised at all, because neither the lens or body has stabilization.Den. So that translates into a lot more keepers, which translates into a lot more enjoyment. A-mount... they seemed to have just dropped it. Yeah, yeah, I know 24mm would have made it bigger, same rationale that was used for the Tamron 28-75 f2.8. If Canon would have sacrificed some zooming at the longer end to keep the f2 aperture, that would have been a better trade-off. I've said it and will say it again: The world was a better place when we only had monochrome?? Look at what the new 50mm f/1.8S can do: https://www.dpreview.com/forums/post/62087114. but they don't fit that good (price) to the more consumer like body of the EOS R (only one cardslot). :D ...No one will own that lens until this body will arrive ^^. Anyway... best way to get how something works is when someone draws it and walks you through the explanation. So I respectfully disagree, but understand, your way may vary. In order to deal with this additional corrective elements may need to be used or the lens design gets more complex as you try to bend that light more at certain places in its path before it reaches the last elements. And yes this lens provides a full stop advantage over any f2.8 zoom, and that's significant. Nikon pretty much said the exact same thing. This implies event photographers being the target, which means they will feel the lack of IS a bit less. The Canon RF 28-70mm f/2L USM is a standard range zoom lens for the new Canon EOS R mirrorless system. After announcing DaVinci Resolve 17 in November and fully releasing the final public build last month, Blackmagic Design has updated Resolve and Fusion to version 17.1. Nostalgia is a dangerous thing and I’ll only say it once. No one will buy them until a pro model arrives! I hope there will be an adapter so that I can use this Canon zoom on my Nikon Z6. If you are using this lens for fun and hobby (non-PRO) and you have to consider the price, then this lens was not intended for you. Pike Place market is pricey $$$ just like this lens. Sorry Canon, you really know how to make world leading glass, but what happened now? Regardless it doesn't change the fact that a larger mount allows for more design freedom. Thanks for your help, Vignes. Mcslsk,I mentioned the Sony FE 24mm f1.4 GM and Sony FE 85mm f1.8, both are small and light, and do fulfill the marketing "promise" of being small.Den, quiquae,It will be even more entertaining to watch an event photographer struggle using a large bulky expensive 1.43kg f2 zoom lens.They're called interchangeable lens cameras for a reason.Den. We don't know what canon or sony will do now that all of the big 3 are in the FF ML game. A zoom encompassing this range would be more massive and cost more still. I know pros who are using this Tamron every day. They will milk the DSLRs upgrading chips and processing that are common between the two systems. It does NOT look big enough to be a 2.8 FF lens. All content, design, and layout are Copyright © 1998 - 2021 Digital Photography Review All Rights Reserved. So no, a single lens is not pudding. With L series optics, it offers the flexibility and performance of a handful of fixed focal length lenses for superlative performance from 28–70mm and everywhere in between. Nooo we need 5-6 more years of technology improvements so we can make some decent pictures. However, if this is just a very wild guess of you guys and the real world impact is not much, I won't take this trouble and will continue with Sony. I can use my phone for those.And one stop is twice as much. This is what I didn't like in your original post where you very authoritatively said "A completely understandable survival adaption by those whose camera mounts can only accommodate f/2.8 zooms." My pleasure to help, at first I was wondering if the problem was on the sensor of my A7RIII, like some sort decentering issues, but then I tried on the A7III and both lenses had the same problem, a big field curvature on the right side of the frame up to f5.6, both lenses were very very sharp in the middle, apsc limit and in the left limit of the frame even at f1.4, nothing to say about this, both had huge problems in the right part of the frame, I prefer the Batis any given moment, very well controlled, no field curvature, very sharp starting @f2, very light and precise, I will not say a word about my gone 100-400 GM... @Arun H, it's your assumption that Nikon 50mm S lens is so good because of wider Z mount. wait for the nikon Z 24-70/2.8 coming this year. @Kris: My initial response was to a rather silly comment by DenImage. Lawny,I'll repeat the point:"Sony (and Zeiss) produce excellent quality lenses for E mount, and have done so for years". To a professional like me making $100K p/a, the cost is negligible, the weight is noticeable, but the potential increase in build quality would be worthwhile. I know you are trying to suggest there is some sort of bias here against Canon and for Sony, but that is simply not true. :The Canon is more than twice the weight, a lot fatter, and twice the length, but you neglected to mention that.Den, Thank you Den, always a pleasure, and thank you for adding those details. And filing a patent is not the same as launching a product. By the way, who is the paid troll and what is your agenda? (I just made that up.). I'm not a fan of applying Adobe standard profiles across various lighting scenarios. But you wouldn't be considering this if that's the case for you), That's true. I've tried this on my R. Where I'd need to be in ISO6400 territory in my f4 lens, I was able to take a slightly brighter image with this lens at ISO800. I'm a little surprised at all the crap people are giving this lens (and I am not a Canon shooter). What angers me is that people from both sides of the political spectrum talk about a mythical time when women just "stayed home and took care of kids" and spent their spare time kaffeeklatsching and seducing the milk man. That is it, and that is is a fact from an engineering stand point of view. E-mount was obviously designed for APS-C. Do you understand how f-stops work? It is utterly amazing how well it does it. I'm pressing the matter with the moderator":You clearly say one thing, then say something contradictory later.Consistency isn't really one of your strong points is it Arun.Den, Arun,I referenced the Voightlander in response to Lawny's incorrect comment about there not being any Sony f1.2 lenses.The Voightlander FE 40mm f1.2 isn't designed with corner sharpness in mind, hence it's minuscule size. Those are the lenses designed to make full use of the sensor (and overcome the sensor design inherent color shift / sensor shading). I wasn't in to praise Canon's product strategy. Consider the other example which is Nikon's f/1.8 50mm in Z mount. But I don't get the point of R system's launch. We can only comment on the trends that we see. Just like I don't need 2" smartphones. I have long concluded that people have preconceived ideas and no amount of actual science convinces them. This isn’t hard!! Nope. There is a big firmware update announced soon, something unusual for canon.

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